'' I am no longer disfellowshipped, just do not want to practice anymore.''
so, you brown-nosed your way back ''in'' (twice) and your third attempt to fade was finally successful?
Aren't you special..
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Why attack?
by newqatarjob inas someone brought up as a jw and been an elder and been disfellowshipped (twice!!!
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i am no longer disfellowshipped just do not want to practice anymore.
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How Radicalised are Jehovah's Witnesses?
by snugglebunny inback in the early 70's, the wt stated that all persons who had lived and died would be resurrected after armageddon.
only non believers would be killed at armageddon, never to return.
in short, if you died before the big a, you were guaranteed to return.. this gave rise amongst several ex's to concerns that their well-meaning jw parents might just consider the possibilty of having their offspring "lovingly" bumped off so as to ensure their resurrection!.
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Snugglebunny -
I have been party to someone contemplating the exact scenario that your OP postulates.
A young man grew up in the 1980s in a very unstable JW family. Theocratically deranged hypocrite father, narcissistic demanding hypocrite mother.
Classic cult family - really nice mannerly eager kids being raised in a non-stop environment of ''Ambient Abuse''. Cult fear, obligation and guilt at all the stupid meetings and way too much '' correction, disciple and mental regulating'' inside the chaotic home. This was a model family, to be featured as an example at the circuit assembly!
The young man who thankfully was never baptised, told me years later that in his darkest hours of ruminating on all the dilemas and turmoil the cult had installed into his young brain, that really the best solution would have been to kill everyone in the family before Armegeddon - exactly the raionale you alluded to.
And perfectly logical if stupid theocratic idiocy is to be taken as fact.
A few years afterward, in the depths of schizophrenia this once happy young man killed himself.
The Watchtower is a dishonest, evil organization and Jehovahs Witnesses are a disgrace for being front men for such a cruel hypocritical fraud.
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Who's behind the WT / JW.org?
by elkatire1980 ini have always thought that the members of the governing body are just a decorative elements in the visible cusp of the organization.
i have read conspiratorial topics about who really rule, but they are not visible.
the shareholders of the corporation?
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Imagine the corporation you would run if 5 million people were assessed $100 each year to sit in a facility that they built you with their donations and free labour. There are thousands of these fleecing sites around the world in use each and every week end.
The people being fleeced ( Jehovahs silly Witnesses) pay for everything! - and do all of the promotional, recruiting, distribution, public relations, and provide much of the real estate development labour. JWs built it all but Watchtower owns it all, controls it all and does so secretly.
There is no legal obligation to disclose where a billion dollars of tax free donations disappear to evey year - but lawyers will make sure it disappears to somewhere safe and secret.
Donations to the watchtower are not used to preach - Jws are doing all that at their own expense.
Donations to the Watchtower are not used to build Kingdom Halls - Jws are paying every cent for the new buildings that they will never own.
Donations to the Watchtower for insurance likely just disappear into Watchtowers offshore Captive Companies
The passing of tax free status for religion around the turn of the century established ''religion'' as the most lucrative snare and racket of the time.
No need for wealthy conspirators - fools and their money are easily separated with gods help.
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JW's and Ambient Abuse
by Jehovanomics inambient abuse is the stealth, subtle, underground currents of maltreatment that sometimes go unnoticed even by the victims themselves, until it is too late.
ambient abuse penetrates and permeates everything but is difficult to pinpoint and identify.
it is ambiguous, atmospheric, diffuse.
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Ambient Abuse -
Excellent exerpt and describes the kingdom hall cult exactly to a T.
Abusive god shows love with genocide, rape and assorted hatreds past and future.
Abusive priesthood spouts endless vitriol, guilt, and fear from local platform and assemblies
Abusive coercive brotherhood shows love with labels, markings shunning.
Not hard to corelate this environment with the JWs mental health, depression, and suicide stats.
The inhouse cure offered ? - AA of course - more Ambient Abuse
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Spiritual manifestations after 1881?
by Splash inwt dec 1880 (no.
6) p. 5 "false christs".
"we have reason for believing that after 1881, there will be wonderful spiritual manifestations.
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My grandson
by James Mixon inus berkeley news center, "young bug enthusiast meets .
his hero, e. wilson.
maybe someone can post it.. i sent this to my other grandkids that are jw.. my grandson is nuts about bugs, lol..
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James Mixon -
What an informative and complimentary writeup they gave. You must all be so proud.
Please, pass my enthusiasm and admiration on to your handsome young scholar.
Funny thing - just this afternoon I found a rather large and aggressive beetle in my garage, so I carefully picked him up (with fingers far away from very big mandibles) and showed the grandkids how he would bite and shake small sticks. I let him go and when the dog bothered him he bit the dog and made him yelp! Fiesty.
An 11year old and an 85 year old, united by curiosity and learning - a truly beautiful picture - I saved it just for the memories of how wonderful it was to be 11 and able to learn from the wise old folks around.
'' Education is not the filling of a bucket, but the lighting of a fire. '' WB Yeats
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Help needed: Written material regarding shunning of DF'd and DA'd individuals
by EdenOne ini would like this to become a permanent thread, because i think there are grounds - at least in europe - to take this matter up to the european court of human rights.
not sure we'll ever get there, but one must start somewhere.
objective: force, by legal means, the watchtower society and the jehovah's witnesses to stop the practice of shunning ex-jehovah's witnesses, on grounds that it constitutes a violation of human rights.. what is needed: all written material ever published by the watchtower society, especially since 1940's, concerning the practice of shunning.
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Lots of good reading in your thread.
Lots of good reading in psycology blogs too -about the harm that is done not only to the shunned but to the shunner as well (guilt, shame, coercion) . Seems shunning is part of the human arsenal for social survival, and admit it or not - we all do it under sometimes amusing and varied circumstances - but never a good vehicle to convey your love, compassion and concern for another human being.
The industrial scale, compulsory, coerced shunning by ignorant bullies is not a personal choice or individual response to a private personal situation -
A generation ago European Jews were publicly shown to be enjoying a beautiful, care free period as the state provided their every need - simple re-education and re-adjustment of their thinking . In a quiet setting, away from all the stress and responsibilities of the rest of society, and their families and friends - it was all for their own good, so, no expense was spared. The gas chambers operated around the clock.
Minions today claim to believe that separating people from family and friends is a charitable, loving and benevolent act, and cast their full support behind the notion, because if they don't, the same WT blessings and love will crush them out of cult existence too
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Shutting down the Judicial Committee "invite".
by kairos injudicial committee invitation comes, with be there or be square consequences.. ( come or we will df you ).
what are the sure fire, tested and true tactics that will keep the elders off your back?
( for good ).
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As long as you remain a Jw, you are liable to the ecclesial discipline of your chosen cult - period.
Once you have already done something ''wrong'' you cannot escape the discipline by quitting - you will be DF or DA'd by commitee per the cult rules. You have no legal recourse if you don't like the verdict - freedom of religion/separation of church and state - remember you chose the church that loves to shun... nothing illegal here.
Doubting, questioning, disillusionment, disregarding, disobeying, fading, and leaving constitute a cults most agregious moral wrongs (apostasy) , Such attitudes and actions, (though harming no-one), are countered with the cults harshest, most severe punishment - DA or DF.
How can one leave without being DA'd or DF'd ?
By initiating the right circumstances , the right timing and exercising your own free will in doing so.
One right circumstance means that you are in good standing, with no JC imminent.
Using your free will pick the earliest possible date you ceased (past tense) to be a Jw.- before a vacation is good, especially if you didn't turn in your last report of cult activity. You could already be gone for a month, but things still look normal.. The more time that goes by quietly, the more solidly your status is confirmed.
No more records at JWFacts Joe Grundy showed just how extensive the personal record keeping is. Submitting reports ties you to the cults activities as a member and therefore binds you to it's advocacy - including discipline! Without current records, they have no proof of your continuing participation and membership. - a very important issue in avoiding later interrogations or committee actions against you.
Pubic Meetings or Invitation Only is the safest option for those who need to attend for the sake of family. The sign outside says PUBLIC - so no proof of membership or affiliation is implied by attending these meetings. Also attend by invitation since again, no affiliation can be implied.
Keep a Journal - reverse the dynamics of information control. You create and keep the records that establish your freedom, the who, when, were, (but not the why - you never need to explain your free will) .When - ( in writing - and signed) you ceased to be a JW. On the date you chose a month ago, you wrote a heartfelt letter to your non-JW brother/cousin/friend explaining to him why you could not conscientiously continue as a JW. and are no longer one. This letter provides you with dated and signed proof that you had already repudiated the cult and its actions by the date of the letter. A good friend will keep the letter in case your lawyer needs it in the future.
Free Will Conscience trumps dogma in court - this is where the tables turn, and the law supports leavers over cults
Make your new status as a free person known to discreet people you trust, and will support you - provide the cult nothing - no information by any means, that can later be used to acknowledge your continuing acceptance of their advocacy.
Free will and informed conscience trumps religious dogma in court. This is the pivotal issue upon which Freedom of Religion spins from one side to exactly the opposite. The same freedoms that allowed you to freely join a cult and share in it's irrational and absurd works is exactly the same law that enables you to conscientiously repudiate the same organization when later, your knowledge matures. This freedom is enshrined in law in most democracies and is a core value of human rights.
JWs have had no success leaving without incident because they have been going about it ass backwards.
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Yet Another Putdown of Women! – KM March 2015
by SAHS inthis weeks service meeting part (week starting march 23, 2015) in the our kingdom ministry under the heading meetings for field service that accomplish.
their purpose includes a little sub-article entitled when a sister must conduct.
the direct link is: http://www.jw.org/en/publications/kingdom-ministry/ click the little document download button under the one labeled km15 03-e us and then choose a format (pdf looks best)..
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Deplorable Website Promotion
by HBH inmy siblings mother in law died recently, and there was a condolence posted with the borg website.
i googled the name of the poster, and found the same condolence on 100s of funeral home websites!!!
many of these sites dont have mods or a way to report a website promotion.
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'' Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. '' - Voltaire
Tacky beyond disgusting cult - Westboro Baptist imitation..
Leave grieving people alone - just leave them alone you assholes !